frank and tommy dorsey question

Set Avatar · #1 10-01-2003, 09:27 AM

can anyone give me the track listing of:
Tommy dorsey and his orchestra featuring Frank Sinatra?
on the cover of the album it has frank smoking a cigarette and it looks from 1957 about?

does anybody have this album is it very good?

thanks
melissa

Set Avatar · #2 10-01-2003, 10:45 AM

Is this the one with the orange cover? If so I have it at home and will gladly share the track listing. Let me know!

Set Avatar · #3 10-01-2003, 11:15 AM

Hi,
it doesnt have a n orange colour background. he is smoking he is wearing a yellow vest and white shirt and a black tie. his cigarette is in his mouth.

ciao
Melissa

Set Avatar · #4 10-03-2003, 02:32 PM

Hi,
can anyone give me the track listing of:
Tommy dorsey and his orchestra featuring Frank Sinatra?
on the cover of the album it has frank smoking a cigarette and it looks from 1957 about? he is smoking he is wearing a yellow vest and white shirt and a black tie. his cigarette is in his mouth.

does anybody have this album is it good?

ciao,
Melissa

DOUGofOHIO · #5 10-03-2003, 05:56 PM

Good rainy cool evening from
TROY, OHIO-USA:

Good description of the picture of Frank..It made me remember and I found it way back in the pile....I think I bought it for the compelling picture...

The record is a CORONET label that I never heard of...Number CX-186.

Side one:

I'LL BUY THAT DREAM (Vocal)

MEXICAN HAT DANCE

I'VE GOT A RESTLESS SPELL (Vocal)

ARAB DANCE

IS THERE A CHANCE FOR ME (Vocal)

Side two:

I'LL NEVER SMILE AGAIN (Vocal)

JUBA DANCE

SPANISH DANCE

WITHOUT A SONG (Vocal)

ANITRA'S DANCE

How did Frank Sinatra's music end up on a CORONET label?
Now I'm curious....I can't remember getting this record or anything about it...I must have been smashed heading for a LONG NIGHT to oblivion....a great habit..

Good inquiry..I hope this gives you something to work with.
It's getting late and I'm tired..I might play the record tomorrow.
Good night...

Respectfully,

Set Avatar · #6 10-03-2003, 07:48 PM

Coronet was an old Columbia/CBS affiliate label from the 50's - many of Frank's worldwide affiliate labels are listed here:
http://www.sinatrafamily.com/forum/s...554#post107554

Set Avatar · #7 10-04-2003, 12:40 PM

Thanks very much Doug,
I am interested in buying this album , I haven't heard many of these songs before. So if you can listen to it and tell me how it is.
I enjoyed tommey dorsey and frank very much and with frank's 50's sound added it would be beautiful what year was it made?

Thanks again,
Melissa

Set Avatar · #8 10-04-2003, 01:42 PM

Actually, Coronet (U.S.) was a budget label - a 99 cents record line, and not at all associated with CBS/Columbia. When the LP came out, it was the year of "Pal Joey". The original cover photo, which you describe, was a photo taken during the filming. A lawsuit was filed by either Sinatra's attorney's or Capitols (I'm not sure) to have the cover photo changed to a more appropriate 40s image of FS rather then the then current one. I believe the recordings were acquired from Jane Dorsey (Tommy's wife). The Sinatras were radio transcriptions from the 40s when he was originally with Tommy. The instrumentals were recordings made in the 50s. Incidentally, all the instrumental tracks are Public Domain songs. No publisher royalties needed to be paid. A big help in selling 99 cents records at the time.

Set Avatar · #9 10-05-2003, 12:39 PM

So are you saying it is not frank's vocals from 57? it is him singing from the 40's witha 50's photo? haha I see why they would do something liek that just to sell records.

But I always thought that frank did sing with tommey dorsey in 1956 I even heard a recording from it "I'll never smile again"? so what album can I find that a others on?

Ciao,
Melissa

Set Avatar · #10 10-05-2003, 01:26 PM

Yes, the FS vocals were from the 40s and the photo from the 50s. Frank left Tommy in 1942. I'm sure he sang with the band from time to time after that (he and Tommy made some recordings for the Armed Forces Radio Service a/k/a as V-Discs - in 1945). I'll Never Smile Again was originally recorded with TD on May 23, 1940.

Ronald Sarbo · #11 10-05-2003, 02:22 PM

Pete: Coronet Lp could very well be the first Sinatra bootleg. Best, Ron.

Set Avatar · #12 10-05-2003, 03:10 PM

Ron,

Could be but was not. The album was legit. The only problem was with the original photo. That was changed to the satisfaction of all concerned.

Ronald Sarbo · #13 10-06-2003, 07:43 AM

Pete: I don't know what the laws were in 1957 but as RCA Victor had the rights to make records of Tommy Dorsey in 1940's I believe the Coronet record had dubious legality.

As to the cover being a Capitol era shot of Sinatra wasn't Columbia in the 50's also issuing records with current pictures of Sinatra? Aside from the theory that they were slowing down the speed of his 40's recordings to make him sound older.

RCA itself on Lp We Three used a Capitol era drawing of Sinatra.

Best, Ron.

Set Avatar · #14 10-06-2003, 09:32 AM

Ron,

It was a legal release. It also came out on another label called Spinorama (also owned by Coronet). RCA had rights to all studio recordings by the band. The rights to the airchecks (live and transcribed for radio broadcasts) which were on the Coronet release were the property of Dorsey. They were not RCA recordings.
Columbia used early 50s photos on a few albums from a source other than Capitol. Since they were of the period (within a year or two) of recordings on that particular album in question they were appropriate. I never heard that they were slowing down the recording speed. All the Columbia LPs I had of the period were correct. Believe me if they were not, there would have been a real stink about it.

Ronald Sarbo · #15 10-06-2003, 10:40 AM

Pete: I believe the issue was who had the right to issue commercial records of Dorsey or for that matter Sinatra. Not what the material was. Didn't RCA start issuing air-checks with the Sentimental Gentleman box set? They claimed that only they had the legal right to produce commercial records of TD from the time he was under contract to them. Coming up to date this could be the issue between SONY and Hindsight over the James air-checks.

Many collectors felt that the material on the Columbia Lps did not sound like the 78's. The theory was that they wanted Sinatra to sound older. They used 50's photos on 40's recordings.Late 50's EPs on Columbia also had these photos of Sinatra in the yellow vest.

Set Avatar · #16 10-06-2003, 11:04 AM

It's a very grey area. When Coronet issued the previously unreleased Dorsey airchecks there was no legal action taken against them by RCA to prevent them from issuing the recordings. The instrumentals on the LP were privately recorded transcriptions made by Tommy. They have a distinctively 50s sound to the arrangements. They were not owned by RCA. RCA acquired all the airchecks they issued from the Dorsey estate through the years. However, the FS vocal recordings on the Coronet album were the property not of RCA but of Dorsey. RCA had no claim on them and they never filed suit.

The Sony/Hindsight matter has nothing to do with this.

MMM · #17 10-06-2003, 11:58 AM

The Reflections Columbia LP uses a "Capitol era" picture of Frank on the cover. It think it was released in 1959 or 1960. The image on the The Frank Sinatra Story 2 LP set is not of a "Columbia era" Frank.

Set Avatar · #18 10-09-2003, 12:58 PM

If you are interested in purchasing this record, I will gladly send it to you for free as I have several copies.
Bill Di lella