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    Remembering Elvis Presley, His Life and Music

    This may get mixed response, but in my humble opinion, Elvis Presley was not as vocally talented as he was made out to be.A ggod example of this is when he dueted with FS on 'Love Me Tender' and 'Witchcraft', Frank absoleutley mudered 'Love Me Tender' whereas Mr Presley struggled with 'Witchcraft'. And when it came to the harmonies, there was onle one voice you could hear!!

    Adam
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    Could Elvis Presley sing?

    Yes, he could.

    Elvis was not a singer like Frank, of course, but I think he had a wonderful voice. There are many songs sang by he very good, and he wasn't only a rock n'roll singer. He sang very beautifuls balads. I'm Elvis fan. When he sang "Love me Tender" with Frank in that show he was making the second voice that's why we heard more Frank's voice.

    Lourdes
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    Hi Adam..

    Yes..I too think he could sing very well..definitely Frank came thru the most on the TV show..but I think Elvis had a very nice and warm voice and gave some pretty good performances on album and in concerts...I don't recall him really singing any of the Great American songbooks tunes.....maybe he did..does anyone know..how did he do?

    I like his If I Can Dream and that Kentucky song(?) and Suspicious Minds..he had really good rythym in his pop tunes and was very musical..again I think he had a very warm and relatable and personal sound.

    I haven't heard his gospel songs..those are probably pretty good too!

    Thanks!

    Selena

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    Yes

    While I've never been as big of a fan of Elvis as I am of Frank, Elvis definitely did have a good voice. One of the songs that Elvis recorded was "Unchained Melody". He did a beautiful version of that song that involved Elvis hitting all of the appropriate notes. Believe me, that is one very difficult song that only truely gifted singers can do well.

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    Cool

    I think that Elvis was very good on gospel songs.
    He had the voice for it. He never had Sinatra's phrasing and timing and he wasn't a swinger but he had a beautiful warm voice. Especially when he was a bit older.
    By the way, did you know that Elvis' idol was Dean Martin?
    If you listen carefully you will hear Dino's influence.
    I once read that Elvis was very thrilled when Dean Martin came to one of his shows and Elvis sang
    "Everybody loves somebody sometimes". As a tribute to Dean Martin.
    Must have been quite unusual seeing Dino at a Rock'n'Roll concert and maybe listening to "Hound Dog" !?
    Ciao,
    Sandro

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    Hmm

    Im still not convinced. He was a perfomer not a singer in my opinion, a hip jiggler not an outstanding vocal talent. And why sing 'My Way' that is one guys song and one guys only. And we all know who

    Adam
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    Hello!

    <And why sing 'My Way' that is one guys song and one guys only.>

    Good question, Loved-up-bum.

    Maybe Colonel Parker made him record it.

    I agree with Sandro about the gospel songs. That was Elvis' favorite kind of music. (Even though he was known as the King of Rock 'n Roll. )

    It's hard to top Elvis' version of "How Great Thou Art".

    And that song "In The Ghetto" always gets to me.

    Anybody here been to Graceland?

    Okay, ladies. Here's an Elvis photo for you!

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    CAN'T STAND HIM

    Guys,

    Elvis Presley was the most overrated and overhyped singer of the twentieth century. His enthusiastic following is mind-boggling to me and I find that (most of) his fans lack intelligence.

    Also, in the seventies, when Sinatra and Elvis were appearing in Vegas, Frank would ALWAYS sell out while Presley sometimes sang to half filled-rooms. Frank commanded a higher salary as well.

    Elvis is super-famous. However, I don't believe he's super-popular. I know A LOT of people and I don't believe any of them has even one Elvis album. "The King" is a joke and he's not worth discussing on this forum.

    Eugene

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    Thumbs down

    Hearing his rendition of 'American Trilogy' (Glory, Glory Hallelujah) on the radio this morning, prompted me to respond to this thread. I was around when 'Heartbreak Hotel' hit the UK and we all thought it was a joke record, some bloke fooling around singing in his bathroom, in fact a better version was soon to follow by the legendry Stan Freberg, who really made a joke of Presley's effort. My opinion is that pop music died condiderably in the mid- fifties when Presley arrived, so my answer is an emphatic no!

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    There's considerable truth to the over-rated assessment. Eugene makes a point about how mentally-quick his best fans aren't. From your standpoint, he's merely a by-product of the promotion machine.

    And while I respect your opinion that you "can't stand" him, don't you think he's, at least, funny?
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    I still dig him..

    I still think he was a good singer and a very good performer..in regards to John..I think he also had a good/natural sense of humor...I enjoy his music very much and I think he was pretty original..whether many of his hard-core fans are smart or not...
    I don't know...I think people reacted to him emotionally, as many of us related to FS that way too..meaning his personality, his charm and yes, his singing, touched people and got them grooving...I am just sad that he passed so young and seemed unable to control his bad habits and was in some sense supported in his downfall by those around him who had a pretty sweet mealticket..tho I am sure there were many who tried to reach him and tried to get him to straigthen up...his fame, his legend is no joke.. I believe..he was the real thing..his genre is different than our beloved Franks..there is room for lots of different artists!

    Selena

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    Artist?

    I dont think i would call Elvis Presley an artist as such, he had a (then) unique 'act' which sold well at the time. But one wonders whether he would have been touring at the age of 70+. I doubt it, he would have made his money then thought ' stuff the heat' and got right outta that kitchen. I doubt whether he would have stood the tests of time vocally either. He was (and is) very easily impersonated. Whereas i am yet to hear a decent impersonation of FS. Even Sammy Davis couldnt get it spot on.!!!

    Adam
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    Question

    Discussing whether Elvis Presley had a good voice or not is fair.

    But is it fair to ridicule his fans?

    <...I find that (most of) his fans lack intelligence.>

    Eugene Lo Curto, have you tested the intelligence of most of his fans? On what do you base your judgment?

    <Eugene makes a point about how mentally-quick his best fans aren't.>

    Johnofphilly, should I take it to mean you agree with Eugene's statement?

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    Sometimes Operatic Elvis...

    Elvis was most definitely a great singer.Even in his last year (1977) he was still able to hit some really high operatic notes.Listen to his studio and concert versions of the song "Hurt" and you'll see what I mean.Elvis could be powerful and he was also a great ballad singer.He did a knockout version of "I'll remember you" in 1966 (Don Ho also did a great job with that song as well).A forgotten gem is his early 70's version of "The first time ever I saw your face".He does something quite different and unique with the song that separates his recording from Roberta Flack's original.Perry Como used to tell me that he would stand backstage at the International Hotel in the early 70's and watch Elvis perform.Mr.Como loved Elvis' version of "Bridge over troubled water".He humbly told me that Elvis did the song the best of all!Perry recorded his own version of the song which is also phenomenal.Elvis was definitely regarded highly as vocalist by other singers and listeners alike!
    Ron

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    For Adam..

    Hi there..I guess I see where you are coming from..I have told this story here, probably ad nauseum...but here goes..in 1977 when I was 12..my parents asked me if I wanted to go with them to see Elvis...they were big fans (in their frame of reference anyway)...had three albums of his (4 after he passed, they bought the Moody Blue album..the vinyl album itself was blue!)..that was a big deal for them.....I used to listen to the soundtrack of King Creole and GI Blues when I was doing my chores...but anyway....I told my parents NO WAY..to me Elvis was totally unrelatable...I just had the image of this really big guy in some weird karate suit with lots of really (unnaturally) black hair, sweating and wiping his face with handkerchief and flinging them out to screaming ladies with big hair and blue eyeshadow..so I didn't go.

    And now I could kick myself...it wasn't till I go older that I finally began to listen to him and enjoy him and take in the full range of his career..I find him in the 50's to be quite dynamic and exciting, especially when he really starts grooving and getting into a song..and Yes..I still think he was a very good singer!!

    I just think of him as this poor Southern kid who had music and rhythym in his blood, in his soul.....and he just had to sing and look how far he went and how big he became ( no pun or joke intended).

    His work pleases so many people and so I give him big props for being himself and doing what he loved.

    And yes..I think he was an artist..seeing some of those Elvis documentaries where they show him working with the guys on a song..he pays attention to the arrangement, the melody, the words..the whole thing.

    I think if he had managed to get clean and work out some of his issues..that yes, he would still be performing..hopefully not in his 'costume'..but I defintely can see him giving a milder version of his shows and singing beautifully, richly and touchingly...and still pleasing the people.

    Take care!

    Selena

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    Thumbs up Hi, Selena

    I agree with all that you said here. I liked Elvis, still like and will continues to like. He had a great voice and was a dedicaded artist. I have ALL his albums and many videos of his performances. Maybe I have a lack intelligence...

    (forgive any mistake in English).



    Lourdes
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    Hmmm

    I cant really understand what you mean by the Southern thing, me being an Englishman, but i suppose when it comes down to it he and Mr Sinatra were of a different genre, accept where the paths crossed on certain songs. Certainly i would have loved to hear Frank singing certain Elvis songs, 'Bridge Over Troubled Water' springs to mind as one FS would really beat out.

    Adam
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    Adam...southern 'thing'

    Hi Adam...I didn't think of the comparison element..

    I think of my Dad as starting out as a poor sourthern boy..tho not as bad off as I am thinking of Elvis being..how to equate with your country?

    I guess I mean..he was born into a family and town or part of the Southern states in the U.S. where folks were or had been farmers/sharecroppers or I guess other probably lowly paid trades too..where there wasn't much money or education...people experienced alot of hard times and had a big challenge in trying to better themselves and their situation in life.

    An environment where noboby around them had it very good either..kind of economically oppressed....not stupid people or people of low morals..just folks for generations back who never really achieved a stable kind of life and were stuggling alot...religion and church life would be very prominent...I think that is why when he made it he wanted so badly to buy his Mama a house and a Cadillac...these were big symbols of success and he also always wanted to buy things for other people, share the wealth and the good times kind of thing.

    I hope that helps!

    Thanks Selena

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    I see

    I see, but i dont normally go in for that 'oh he's from a poor background and has done well' jazz, i tend to think (without getting to political) it leans itself towards socialistic views, which would certainly highlight his appeal to a vast band of teenage followers. Call me a snob, but Mr Sinatra is more the thinking mans singer, a gentlemans singer if you pardon the expression (ladies).He was and is Art. Open to a select few who appreciate this work and see it beyond 'My Way' and 'Strangers In The Night'

    Wow, i can get down off my soapbox now, people always say the English can talk for hours without saying anything no-one dosent already know

    Adam
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    Hi Carl,

    No, I don't go around giving IQ tests to Elvis fans. And I certainly don't want to say ALL of his fans lack intelligence. But going by the Elvis fans I see on TV and the ones I have met, they just don't seem like the swiftest bunch of people. No offense, that's just the way I feel.

    John, I really don't find The Pelvis funny. I do think he was a nice man and very down to earth--just not terribly talented.

    Adam, you're right on the money on this subject. Bravo.

    Eugene

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